{"id":111233,"date":"2024-02-22T03:00:43","date_gmt":"2024-02-22T08:00:43","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.hobbyfarms.com\/?p=111233"},"modified":"2024-03-06T03:32:38","modified_gmt":"2024-03-06T08:32:38","slug":"can-you-pasture-goats-chickens-together","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.hobbyfarms.com\/can-you-pasture-goats-chickens-together\/","title":{"rendered":"Can Chickens and Goats Live Together?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Can chickens and goats live together? It&#8217;s a common question as many hobby farmers are looking for <\/span><span class=\"s2\">increased self-sufficiency and decreased reliance on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hobbyfarms.com\/food-security-concerns-start-a-garden\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">traditional food sources<\/a> like grocery stores. One popular method of achieving this is to add productive livestock such as goats and chickens for their <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hobbyfarms.com\/miniature-dairy-goats-perfect-for-small-farms\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">milk<\/a>, eggs and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hobbyfarms.com\/meat-goats-are-great-for-small-farms\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">meat<\/a>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s3\">Space limitations, however, sometimes restrict the types of animals that can be supported on a farm.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s3\">Fortunately, goats and chickens are two species that can successfully pasture together to conserve space, so long as you take the proper precautions. Things to consider when planning to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hobbyfarms.com\/pasture-goats-chickens-together-for-a-dynamic-duo\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">jointly pasture goats and chickens<\/a> include the benefits, disease transmission, pasture size and plants, housing and fencing.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<h2 class=\"p5\"><b>Pasturing Together Benefits<\/b><\/h2>\n<p class=\"p3\">Can chickens and goats live together in a single pasture does take some additional planning, work and effort. So, you need to decide whether the benefits are worthwhile.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\">The potential advantages of pasturing chickens and goats jointly include the following.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s2\">It\u2019s generally less costly to fence one pasture area as opposed to two.<\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"p3\">Pasture access should reduce the amount of hay and grain concentrate needed for feeding.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"p3\">The exercise that livestock get foraging is good for them and helps keep them healthy.<\/li>\n<li class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s2\">Pasturing chickens improves the flavor and nutritional content of chicken meat and eggs.<\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"p3\">Pastured chickens help control flies, ticks and goat parasites on the farm.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<figure id=\"attachment_111236\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-111236\" style=\"width: 800px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-111236\" src=\"https:\/\/img.hobbyfarms.com\/AdobeStock_193679788.jpg\" alt=\"goats chickens\" width=\"800\" height=\"462\" srcset=\"https:\/\/img.hobbyfarms.com\/AdobeStock_193679788-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/img.hobbyfarms.com\/AdobeStock_193679788-623x360.jpg 623w, https:\/\/img.hobbyfarms.com\/AdobeStock_193679788-600x250.jpg 600w, https:\/\/img.hobbyfarms.com\/AdobeStock_193679788-433x250.jpg 433w, https:\/\/img.hobbyfarms.com\/AdobeStock_193679788.jpg 800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-111236\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Goldilock Project\/Adobe Stock<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<h2 class=\"p5\"><b>Disease Transmission<\/b><\/h2>\n<p class=\"p3\">A common concern about can chickens and goats live together is disease transmission. But, in reality, it\u2019s seldom an issue.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s2\">Goats and chickens are susceptible to coccidiosis, a disease of the intestinal tract caused by the parasite coccidia. But coccidia are species-specific and aren\u2019t transmitted between goats and chickens.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\">However, Melissa Holahan, a veterinarian as well as the creator of Goat Melk Soap Co. and owner of Chubb E. Acres Farm, does caution that chickens may shed the bacteria salmonella in their droppings.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s2\">\u201cAlthough rare, they could transfer to the goats\u2014mostly from the goats laying in soiled bedding,\u201d she says. \u201cThis could have the potential to get on the udder, causing transfer to the goat kids or milk for human consumption.\u201d<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\">Adult goats or chickens usually have sufficiently robust immune systems to resist serious sickness from coccidia or salmonella. But<span class=\"s3\"> young or sick chickens and goats are susceptible to developing parasite or <\/span>bacteria overload and disease. The main indicator is diarrhea, which is followed by dehydration, weakness and death in serious cases<span class=\"s3\">.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\">To avoid these diseases, prevent overcrowding and keep your livestock areas clean. If your chickens or goats show signs of diarrhea or illness, immediately quarantine them and call a veterinarian.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\">The faster they get treatment, the more likely they are to survive.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"p5\"><b>Pasture Size<\/b><\/h2>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s3\">The number of chickens and goats that can successfully pasture together in a given area depends primarily on the breed sizes that you intend to keep. If larger breeds are kept, then fewer livestock can be accommodated.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s3\">Also, you should always plan on at least two goats because they are herd creatures and need a goat companion to be happy. The examples below assume 5-pound hens, 75-pound Nigerian Dwarf does and 135-pound Nubian does.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2 class=\"p5\"><b>Stocking Rates<\/b><\/h2>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s3\">The general rule of thumb for pasturing chickens is no more than 50 to 80 chickens per acre. At any higher stocking densities, the chickens eventually completely denude the pasture and add too much manure for the pasture to regrow.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s3\">This stocking density assumes that the chickens have continuous access to a nutritionally complete chicken feed. That\u2019s because you can\u2019t rely on the pasture to supply balanced levels of nutrients for that many chickens year-round.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s3\">When you add goats, the number of chickens per acre needs to be reduced. For example, if two Nigerian Dwarf does were added, then about 30 fewer chickens could be accommodated.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s2\">Each goat would replace about 15 chickens (75 <\/span><span class=\"s3\">pounds\/5 pounds = 15). So, using the more conservative 50 chickens per acre rule-of-thumb, a 1-acre pasture could sustainably accommodate about two Nigerian Dwarf goats and 20 chickens:<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\" style=\"text-align: center;\"><b><i>75\/5 = 15; 15 x 2 = 30; 50-30 = 20<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/i><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\">Alternately, using 80 chickens per acre as the starting point, four Nigerian Dwarf does and 20 chickens could be accommodated:<\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\" style=\"text-align: center;\"><b><i>75\/5 = 15; 15\u00d74 = 60; 80-60 = 20<\/i><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\">Or, if adding larger Nubian does, it would drop to two does and 26 chickens:<\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\" style=\"text-align: center;\"><b><i>135\/5 = 27; 27\u00d72 = 54; 80-54 = 26<\/i><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\">Again, this stocking density assumes that the goats have access to a nutritionally balanced diet in addition to pasture forage.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\">Conditions vary significantly from farm to farm. So does the optimum stocking density, but the previous examples provide a starting range. In general, it\u2019s better to plan on lower densities because overcrowding increases the risk for disease and parasites.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\">On our farm, we found that around 12 to <span class=\"s3\">15 Nigerian Dwarf goats and 20 to 25 chickens <\/span><span class=\"s2\">co-exist well on about 4 fenced acres.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_111234\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-111234\" style=\"width: 800px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-111234\" src=\"https:\/\/img.hobbyfarms.com\/AdobeStock_135670046.jpg\" alt=\"goats chickens\" width=\"800\" height=\"462\" srcset=\"https:\/\/img.hobbyfarms.com\/AdobeStock_135670046-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/img.hobbyfarms.com\/AdobeStock_135670046-623x360.jpg 623w, https:\/\/img.hobbyfarms.com\/AdobeStock_135670046-600x250.jpg 600w, https:\/\/img.hobbyfarms.com\/AdobeStock_135670046-433x250.jpg 433w, https:\/\/img.hobbyfarms.com\/AdobeStock_135670046.jpg 800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-111234\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Carola Schubbel\/Adobe Stock<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<h2 class=\"p5\"><b>Pasture Plants<\/b><\/h2>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s3\">Chickens aren\u2019t picky about pasture conditions. Even with continuous access to chicken feed, chickens do a lot of foraging. They\u2019ll scratch and eat the nutritious vegetation down at ground level while avoiding questionable or poisonous plants.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\"> If you&#8217;re concerned about predators, a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hobbyfarms.com\/faux-free-ranging-chickens-in-a-moveable-run\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">chicken tractor<\/a> can be a good option to make sure your chickens have access to foraging.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s2\">Goats, however, prefer to reach up to browse rather than down to graze like sheep or cattle. That means areas with woody underbrush make excellent goat pastures.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s3\">Making goats reach down to graze on a grassy pasture isn\u2019t ideal. This forces the goats to eat where intestinal parasites (spread via manure) thrive and increases the likelihood of internal parasite problems. <span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s3\">Goats are happy to eat things that we consider weeds such as poison ivy and multiflora rose. There are, however, plants that are extremely toxic to goats. These plants should be eradicated from pastures before allowing goats to browse.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s3\">Azalea, hemlock, mountain laurel, rhododendron, rhubarb and wild cherry are all plants that are highly poisonous to goats and should be removed from their pastures.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\">Cornell University maintains <a href=\"https:\/\/poisonousplants.ansci.cornell.edu\/goatlist.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">a reference list of plants toxic to goats<\/a>. It would, however, be impractical to remove every plant on its list. Fortunately, if goats have access to sufficient quantities of nonpoisonous plants, they\u2019ll usually avoid or only nibble those that are mildly toxic to them. <span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h2 class=\"p5\"><b>Can Chickens and Goats Live Together &#8211; Housing<\/b><\/h2>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s3\">Although it\u2019s feasible to jointly pasture chickens and goats, it\u2019s not a good idea to house them together. That\u2019s because goats are finicky and chickens put droppings <\/span>everywhere.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\">If a chicken puts droppings in a goat hay feeder, then the goats won\u2019t eat it. You\u2019ll have wasted hay. Or if the chicken puts droppings in the water bucket, the goats won\u2019t drink it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s3\">Because goats need plenty of water to produce milk, housing chickens with goats means frequently cleaning and refreshing water buckets.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\">In addition to the dropping problems, access to chicken feed is an issue for goats. Goats love <span class=\"s3\">chicken feed and will go to great lengths to get <\/span><span class=\"s4\">it. <\/span>But once they start eating, they don\u2019t know when to quit and will gorge on it. This leads to bloat, which can easily be fatal.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\">Finally, even if the chickens have nice, safe nest boxes, for some reason, they love to lay eggs in the goats\u2019 hay.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"p5\"><b>Keep \u2018Em Separated<\/b><\/h2>\n<p class=\"p3\">To prevent these problems, it\u2019s best to house, feed and water chickens in a separate coop and goats in the barn. It\u2019s generally easy to keep goats out of a coop simply by making the chicken access door too small for the goats. Then you can provide the chickens with free-choice feed and water inside the coop without worrying about goats getting in.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s3\">Keeping goat kids out may be a bigger problem.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\">\u201cIt amazes me that goat kids can squeeze through literally the smallest doors!\u201d Holahan says. \u201cThe only chicken door design that seemed to defy the goat kids was making a pop hole just wide enough for one chicken at a time and elevating it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\">It can also be difficult to keep chickens out of the goats\u2019 pens. Unless you turn your goats out to pasture and shut the barn doors, the chickens are likely to eventually get in. We minimized this problem by placing livestock access to the chicken coop and goat pens on opposite sides of the barn. That way, most of the chickens never found the goat pen entrance doors.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\">But, there\u2019s always a rogue bird that figures it out and starts teaching other chickens. In that case, we isolated that bird for a few days and it would forget how to get to the goat pens. If a few birds do get into the goats\u2019 quarters and eat a bit of hay or grain, it\u2019s generally not detrimental to the birds. It\u2019s just the issues with chicken droppings and eggs.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h2 class=\"p5\"><b>Pasture Fencing<\/b><\/h2>\n<p class=\"p3\">Fencing a pasture is a long-term investment. It pays to make sure it\u2019s done correctly.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s3\">Many predators think pastured animals look particularly tasty. So consider <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hobbyfarms.com\/livestock-fencing-keeps-animals-in-predators-out\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">livestock fencing to keep predators out<\/a>, as well as keeping in livestock. Several different materials can be used for fencing, but for goats and chickens, the fence should be at least four feet high.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\">Woven wire fencing and cattle panels are two popular options.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s3\">Cattle panels are 16 feet long and can be configured in many ways. They can also be cut into smaller sections.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s2\">Woven wire fencing is a common choice, but it should be supported with sturdy posts set relatively close together (10 feet or less) for stability and to prevent sagging. If using cattle panels or woven wire to create <\/span><span class=\"s5\">pastures intended for chickens or <\/span><span class=\"s2\">d<\/span><span class=\"s5\">warf goats, it\u2019s important to use a smaller 2-by-4-inch mesh size (at least near the bottom) rather than the standard 4-by-4-inch mesh to keep the chickens and goat kids from slipping out.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\">Electric fencing can also be used to contain goats and chickens, but the strands need to be spaced fairly close together to keep them in. Alternatively, electric fencing can be used in conjunction with other fencing types to prevent predators from getting in and discourage any goats or chickens from getting out.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\">This is generally accomplished by installing electric fencing along the top and near the bottom on the outside of cattle panel or woven wire fencing. Welded wire fencing is not recommended for goats because they rub and stand on the fence. This will break the welds and eventually destroy the fence. Some keepers use chain-link fencing, but it\u2019s expensive\u2014especially when fencing large areas.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p7\"><span class=\"s3\">F<\/span><span class=\"s3\">armers have pastured livestock species together for centuries. With a proper setup, it\u2019s fairly easy to successfully pasture chickens and goats together. As long as you prepare for a few special needs, they happily co-exist and provide delicious eggs, milk and meat for your farm<\/span>.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>This article about can chickens and goats live together originally appeared in the July\/August 2023 issue of Chickens\u00a0magazine. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hobbyfarms.com\/subscribe-new\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Click here to subscribe.<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Considerations to Keep in Mind When Mixing Species<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":127,"featured_media":111235,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[424,10727,10458,10728,10455,10456],"tags":[654,622,5752],"class_list":["post-111233","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-animals","category-chicken-coops-and-housing","category-farm-garden","category-health-and-nutrition","category-large-animals","category-poultry","tag-chickens","tag-goats","tag-multi-species-pasturing"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v22.0 (Yoast SEO v24.3) - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Can Chickens and Goats Live Together? - Hobby Farms<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Can chickens and goats live together? 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